Here’s how the conversation went:

The Moderator Stuart Varney asked Vivek, “You joined TikTok after dinner with boxer and influencer Jake Paul. Should the commander in chief be so easily persuaded by an influencer?”

Ramaswamy responded to it saying he needs to use platforms like TikTok to reach young voters so that he can win, and he reiterated that as president he would bar younger people from using social media.

“So the answer is, I have a radical idea for the Republican Party,” Vivek said. “We need to win elections, and part of how we win elections is reaching the next generation of young Americans where they are.”

Jumping in, Nikki called Vivek’s position “infuriating.” “TikTok is one of the most dangerous social media apps that we could have,” she said. “Honestly every time I hear you, I feel a little bit dumber for what you say.”

“TikTok is one of the most dangerous social media assets that we could have,” she told him, adding “we can’t trust you.”